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1. Comment by sir jorge on 17 August 2009:

   It’s funny to see that the depiction of patriotism is 18th century patriotic founders. Consider that they were also racist, and immoral and maybe you start to realize that it’s not so bright to use them as a standard for patriotism.

2. Comment by Ziv on 17 August 2009:

   “It’s funny to see that the depiction of patriotism is 18th century patriotic founders. Consider that they were also racist, and immoral and maybe you start to realize that it’s not so bright to use them as a standard for patriotism.”

   You just described America today.

3. Comment by Sir Viz on 17 August 2009:

   “It’s funny to see that the depiction of patriotism is 18th century patriotic founders. Consider that they were also racist, and immoral and maybe you start to realize that it’s not so bright to use them as a standard for patriotism.”

   So what would you use to describe the standard of patriotism? Now I must go beat my slave and spit on some Mexicans,Irish and Italians.

4. Comment by libertine on 17 August 2009:

   “It’s funny to see that the depiction of patriotism is 18th century patriotic founders. Consider that they were also racist, and immoral and maybe you start to realize that it’s not so bright to use them as a standard for patriotism.”

   Good point. We probably shouldn’t take their word on anything else either. Who cares if they were brilliant men of their day? We should immediately discount everything they’ve ever done, the Declaration, the Constitution, because they subscribed to the popular opinion of the day and did not have the oppurtunity to see the world from a more enlightened view because of the time period they lived in.

   Martin Luther King Jr. was homophobic. Would you like to discount his message of equality because of a personally held belief?

   It’s irresponsible to deny a message because of a unrelated personal flaw in the messenger.

   This cartoon is apt and insightful.

5. Comment by Mark Klein on 17 August 2009:

   “Martin Luther King Jr. was homophobic. Would you like to discount his message of equality because of a personally held belief?”

   Well.. yes.. actually. To stand for something but hide behind a personally held belief that goes against what you stand for is hypocrisy, if Martin Luther King was homophobic, then he didn’t stand for equality, he stood for a perversion of equality where all parties are still not equal.. In which case his message should be discounted, because his reasoning was flawed. We take Dr. King’s message of equality at face value because of our modern interpretation of fairness, which is subject to change at the whims of culture, and as of yet do not treat homosexuals fairly.

6. Comment by Lilypad on 21 August 2009:

   Fine response, libertine. Unfortunately, sir jorge’s view of the founding fathers seems to be the view that is most common these days. The Federalist Papers should be seriously studied in America’s high school classrooms.

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   “It’s funny to see that the depiction of patriotism is 18th century patriotic founders. Consider that they were also racist, and immoral and maybe you start to realize that it’s not so bright to use them as a standard for patriotism.”

   well, I believe that all of them were patriots and rebels, but I KNOW not all of them were racist. Just like not all republicans are fans of bush or the patriot act.

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